Thursday, June 17, 2010

Possible Epiphany

Have you ever talked to someone who, while you disagree with much of what they believed, seemed to have some rather conventional opinions but during the course of conversation you discovered that their method of thinking makes no sense to you at all? That is, when you have a discussion on why you believe what you believe and they believe what they believe you simply cannot follow their reasoning, it simply doesn't make sense to you.

In the last week or so I have had such an experience while discussing religion with someone on a forum. The clearest example of what I am talking about is C.S. Lewis trilemma which I reject as a trilemma simply because there are more than the three possibilities mentioned, and so it essentially means nothing other than a list of three things that might be true about Jesus. Here is the last word the individual had on the subject, "I didn't suggest that our discussion of the "Trilemma" was about the existence of God... But that you were misrepresenting why the "Trilemma" was false... That it wasn't because it was wrong... it is a "False" Dilemma... because more than three options or choices actually exist."

This thinking is completely beyond my capabilities. I cannot think that someone who says one of three options must be true, when there are other options, isn't wrong. The idea is that Lewis says that there are only three options, that this is false, and yet Lewis isn't wrong about these three being the only choices.

When faced with such a situation I find myself at a loss on how to discuss anything. This individual thinks they have a wider and more complete understanding because they can understand their position and I cannot. They think there is a greater subtlety to their position because it goes beyond formal logic. Using formal logic of course the argument is false, they admit that, but somehow that doesn't mean that Lewis is wrong. I find this frustrating.

This is where I come to my possible epiphany. While riding the bicycle I wondered what could be the method that produced the reasoning applied above. What I determined is that the real way that people determine what is correct or not is how they feel about it. When I really come down to it the way I use logic is to use systems of thinking that feel right. When someone says that although a trilemma is a false trilemma it is not necessarily wrong in the end all I can do is say that it is. So what this other person is doing is simply appling a different system for determing truth, based on a different set of feelings.

There are all sorts of things that people do without reason. People have confirmation bias, a bias towards an entity acting, the ability to be willfully ignorant, people are unreasonably optimistic, and they tend to thinking there is a point to it all. Most of our beliefs are based upon what our in-group thinks and how our brain is organized rather than on pure reasoning, and it is highly resistant to change. The individual above thinks that what feels right to them is a higher level of understanding than pure reasoning, and the important thing is that most people do too, it's just that this guy is more upfront about it. While the person can quite reasonably tell that saying one of three things must be true when there are more possibilities, the three possibilities seem to be truly what feels right as the only possibilities, and what feels right trumps reason.

So, my epiphany was that I should stop caring about what people think. I can think myself, come to conclusions I think are right, challenge those assumptions and explain my positions. But what I should stop doing is caring about whether anyone else is convinced because of this process. This isn't like sport, everyone is playing their own game under their own rules. Futhermore, it simply isn't possible to change the primary sources for why people think the way they do.

However, I think I should care about how people feel. Not only is this the basic nature of goodness, but it is also actually the most effective way to persuade anyone. Being nice to someone and stating your opinion will convince more people than providing a reasoned and indisputable argument. It's probably about time for me to realize that.

2 comments:

Emily Ruoss said...

"... But what I should stop doing is caring about whether anyone else is convinced because of this process. ... Futhermore, it simply isn't possible to change the primary sources for why people think the way they do."

I suspect you are right. I've certainly noticed that feelings are often illogical. Frustrating as it can be; a person's feelings are, however, quite real to them, and often much more important than conclusions based solely upon logic.

Caring, beyond being nice, but actually trying to be sympathetic or empathetic can help you find another way to present and explain your logic.

interesting topic. good luck!

Jim. King said...

There is a management principle that I learned long ago. It is that people can be divided into at least two groups regarding how opinions are formed. To inquire of a person in one group as to that person's opinion on a topic one should ask: "What do you think about...?" Of a person in the other group one should ask: "How do you feel about...?" The tricky part is determining the current membership of the person of whom you are making the inquiry. Sometimes the person will give herself away with an a prior statement such as "I think" or "I feel", but it's not often that easy.

Feelings, as well as thoughts (i.e. logic), are a legitimate motivation for action. The problem of what is to be done when feelings and thoughts are opposed is what brings much discord. Worse yet is the attempt by one group to co-opt the other by suggesting (but not meaning) agreement; hence my low opinion cunning but totally self interested politicians.